Does manual therapy hold the key to long-term physical wellness?
In this episode of Where Science Meets Self-Care, I sit down with Nathia—a bodywork practitioner with over 9 years of experience in Rolfing who is currently completing her Master’s in Manual Osteopathic Practice. Together, we explore the science of structural integration and how Rolfing and Osteopathy approach body alignment, movement, and the fascial matrix. Instead of focusing solely on surface-level symptoms, these manual therapy disciplines look at structural balance to support physical comfort, posture awareness, and long-term functional mobility.
Whether you’re curious about the difference between Rolfing and Osteopathy, looking to understand how fascia influences daily movement, or exploring holistic options for structural balance, this conversation offers practical, experience-based insights to guide your wellness choices.
Key Topics Covered: Rolfing vs. Osteopathy:
The unique foundational philosophies of each discipline.
The Fascial Matrix: How connective tissue impacts overall posture, mobility, and physical comfort.
Structural Integration: How realigning body mechanics helps improve daily movement efficiency.
Beyond the Symptoms: Why manual therapy prioritizes whole-body balance over quick fixes.
Who It’s For: How to determine if these modalities align with your personal wellness goals.
Guest & Host Details: Nathia is a dedicated manual therapy practitioner specializing in structural wellness, body awareness, and movement support.
Learn more: https://www.dynamicposturesi.com/
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Educational Disclaimer:
The information provided in this video is strictly for general educational and informational purposes. It is not intended as medical advice, nor to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any medical condition or chronic pain. Always consult with a licensed physician or qualified healthcare provider regarding any health concerns, injuries, or medical conditions.
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00:00:00 --> 00:00:03 Welcome to Where Science Meets Self -Care with
00:00:03 --> 00:00:06 Ida Fanelli. With over 30 years in beauty and
00:00:06 --> 00:00:09 wellness and a background in medical science,
00:00:09 --> 00:00:12 Ida blends clinical knowledge with holistic care.
00:00:13 --> 00:00:16 Each week, she and her guests share insights
00:00:16 --> 00:00:19 to help you achieve healthier skin, balanced
00:00:19 --> 00:00:23 energy, and empowered self -care. Now, here's
00:00:23 --> 00:00:27 your host, Ida Fanelli. I'm joined by Nadia Gonzalez.
00:00:28 --> 00:00:33 a certified rolfing practitioner, a member of
00:00:33 --> 00:00:36 the Canadian Rolfing Association, and Nathia
00:00:36 --> 00:00:39 will be graduating with a master's in osteopathic
00:00:39 --> 00:00:45 practice. Nathia, welcome. Can you briefly share
00:00:45 --> 00:00:48 what led you to study rolfing and osteopathy?
00:00:49 --> 00:00:55 Hi, Ida. Thanks for having me. Osteopathy and
00:00:55 --> 00:00:58 structural integration were rolfing. I'd like
00:00:58 --> 00:01:02 to start with a quote of both professions. Osteopathy
00:01:02 --> 00:01:06 is a science that analyzes man and finds that
00:01:06 --> 00:01:10 he partakes of divine intelligence. And this
00:01:10 --> 00:01:13 is a quote from Rolfing. This is the gospel of
00:01:13 --> 00:01:16 Rolfing. When the body gets working appropriately,
00:01:16 --> 00:01:19 the forces of gravity can flow through, then
00:01:19 --> 00:01:23 spontaneously the body heals itself. So both
00:01:23 --> 00:01:26 osteopathy and Rolfing. It came into my life
00:01:26 --> 00:01:29 at a time when I was having some health issues
00:01:29 --> 00:01:34 where I couldn't find answers to what was going
00:01:34 --> 00:01:37 on. I had a lot of digestive issues, a lot of
00:01:37 --> 00:01:40 issues with my nervous system where I couldn't
00:01:40 --> 00:01:44 really rest well at night. And I would seek out
00:01:44 --> 00:01:48 the contemporary or the more traditional ways
00:01:48 --> 00:01:52 of getting therapy, such as physiotherapy or
00:01:52 --> 00:01:55 going to chiropractors and massage therapies.
00:01:55 --> 00:01:59 But it seemed the resolution was very short -term
00:01:59 --> 00:02:01 and short -lived. And I would go back to the
00:02:01 --> 00:02:05 same cycle or to the same loop of pain and discomfort.
00:02:05 --> 00:02:08 And there was a sense of feeling like I was in
00:02:08 --> 00:02:10 that home in my body. I had an encounter with
00:02:10 --> 00:02:14 a friend where I was describing some of my discomforts
00:02:14 --> 00:02:17 and my issues. He expressed, have you heard of
00:02:17 --> 00:02:20 this thing called the brawl thing where they
00:02:20 --> 00:02:23 work through the entire body and they... they
00:02:23 --> 00:02:26 reorganize the tissues and all of a sudden you
00:02:26 --> 00:02:29 get really healthy and you get well and you start
00:02:29 --> 00:02:32 to feel better and to me it sounded like something
00:02:32 --> 00:02:36 was completely crazy and off but something was
00:02:36 --> 00:02:39 resonating about what he had said. I ended up
00:02:39 --> 00:02:41 doing my research for six months about brawling
00:02:41 --> 00:02:45 and I decided to give it a try because there's
00:02:45 --> 00:02:47 only so much I could read on the internet until
00:02:47 --> 00:02:50 I actually had to undergo the experience and
00:02:50 --> 00:02:54 I went through the structural integration experience
00:02:54 --> 00:02:57 or the rolfing experience and it changed my life
00:02:57 --> 00:03:00 i was able to regain health back i'm very physically
00:03:00 --> 00:03:04 active doing sports and and all kinds of physical
00:03:04 --> 00:03:09 activities through rolfing i was able to regain
00:03:09 --> 00:03:12 my strength and be at my highest level of performance
00:03:12 --> 00:03:16 as i was before some of this other health difficulties
00:03:16 --> 00:03:20 it led me to actually study rolfing where i ended
00:03:20 --> 00:03:24 up going to to Salt Lake City where there's a
00:03:24 --> 00:03:26 school called the Guild for Structural Integration
00:03:26 --> 00:03:30 where where they teach a whole thing and I am
00:03:30 --> 00:03:33 now a practitioner myself and I've been in practice
00:03:33 --> 00:03:38 for over 10 years and now that I've been in practice
00:03:38 --> 00:03:42 for 10 years I've been seeking more depth in
00:03:42 --> 00:03:45 in my understanding of the body not only just
00:03:45 --> 00:03:49 for myself but also for my clients and I'm always
00:03:49 --> 00:03:53 left with questions about why does the body do
00:03:53 --> 00:03:56 this? Why does it happen this way? Why is there
00:03:56 --> 00:04:02 existence? In that process, I somehow found osteopathy,
00:04:02 --> 00:04:07 and I ended up seeking a school where I could
00:04:07 --> 00:04:09 learn it, and currently I'm in school in Canada,
00:04:09 --> 00:04:15 learning to become a... osteopathic manual practitioner
00:04:15 --> 00:04:18 i'm halfway through my studies and it's really
00:04:18 --> 00:04:21 beautiful how both of them are really coming
00:04:21 --> 00:04:24 together in the sense where we're looking to
00:04:24 --> 00:04:28 restore the body's capacity to self -heal and
00:04:28 --> 00:04:31 self -regulate and its innate mechanisms of being
00:04:31 --> 00:04:33 healthy because i think at some point we are
00:04:33 --> 00:04:37 all born healthy generally and it is through
00:04:37 --> 00:04:42 the passing of life our experiences that we fall
00:04:42 --> 00:04:45 into dis -ease, able to regain health. And in
00:04:45 --> 00:04:50 order to do that, we have to have help from different
00:04:50 --> 00:04:54 professionals or from plants or from the natural
00:04:54 --> 00:04:57 world to get our health back. How does Rolfing
00:04:57 --> 00:05:01 work with the fascia to improve posture and muscle
00:05:01 --> 00:05:06 movement? So Rolfing essentially works on the
00:05:06 --> 00:05:09 biggest network or connective tissue that's found
00:05:09 --> 00:05:11 in the body, which is called the fascia. Right
00:05:11 --> 00:05:14 now, fascia is a term that's really in. We hear
00:05:14 --> 00:05:17 the myofascia and myofasciitis. But it's really
00:05:17 --> 00:05:19 been around for a really long time. I think we
00:05:19 --> 00:05:24 find the connective tissue in all sorts of animals.
00:05:24 --> 00:05:26 And we find it in the animal kingdom. We find
00:05:26 --> 00:05:30 it in the plants. Even the cell wall of a plant
00:05:30 --> 00:05:32 is a form of connective tissue. So essentially,
00:05:32 --> 00:05:37 the fascia is a tissue that... serves for protection
00:05:37 --> 00:05:40 and serves as passageways for the nerves the
00:05:40 --> 00:05:43 arteries the veins and all kinds of fluids in
00:05:43 --> 00:05:48 the body it also is a protective mechanism and
00:05:48 --> 00:05:52 it just helps the body stay contained so like
00:05:52 --> 00:05:56 a wrapper that comes involved in all all different
00:05:56 --> 00:05:59 layers of the body so we have superficial intermediate
00:05:59 --> 00:06:03 and deep layers of fascia that encapsulate our
00:06:03 --> 00:06:07 nervous system our muscles our organs and everything
00:06:07 --> 00:06:10 that we are that's kind of keeping us together
00:06:10 --> 00:06:16 so it is a tissue of support and it is made up
00:06:16 --> 00:06:20 of collagen fibers which are deeply interwoven
00:06:20 --> 00:06:22 in different ways eventually we talk about them
00:06:22 --> 00:06:25 as being dense irregular connective tissue or
00:06:25 --> 00:06:29 dense regular connective tissue. And the difference
00:06:29 --> 00:06:32 between dense irregular and dense regular is
00:06:32 --> 00:06:35 essentially how the fibers are oriented. So,
00:06:35 --> 00:06:40 for example, we look at our Achilles tendon or
00:06:40 --> 00:06:43 the tendon that leads into from our calves into
00:06:43 --> 00:06:46 our foot that is considered a dense regular connective
00:06:46 --> 00:06:49 tissue because the fiber orientation is all organized
00:06:49 --> 00:06:53 in a way that allows force to try to be transferred
00:06:53 --> 00:06:56 from the foot up the leg and from the leg down
00:06:56 --> 00:07:00 into the foot into the ground and so the fibers
00:07:00 --> 00:07:03 are all kind of in a specific order and there's
00:07:03 --> 00:07:07 also a specific texture and quality to the dense
00:07:09 --> 00:07:11 regular connective tissue but if you think about
00:07:11 --> 00:07:13 all the dense irregular connective tissue which
00:07:13 --> 00:07:18 we find in other areas of the body maybe in and
00:07:18 --> 00:07:20 around the knee where there's got to be movements
00:07:20 --> 00:07:22 that need to happen in different directions and
00:07:22 --> 00:07:24 there might be a different fiber orientation
00:07:24 --> 00:07:27 where it's not so clear but then at the end of
00:07:27 --> 00:07:31 the day it is there to protect us and allow us
00:07:31 --> 00:07:33 to move in different ways and different planes
00:07:33 --> 00:07:35 and different different motions and to allow
00:07:35 --> 00:07:38 movement to happen and in simultaneous ways where
00:07:38 --> 00:07:42 we're not even able to to conceptualize how the
00:07:42 --> 00:07:45 body is organizing or orchestrating everything
00:07:45 --> 00:07:49 that it allows what can someone expect from a
00:07:49 --> 00:07:54 typical rolfing session so a typical rolfing
00:07:54 --> 00:07:58 session generally we work with like i said we
00:07:58 --> 00:08:03 work with the fascia so in a session we can expect
00:08:03 --> 00:08:05 organization to happen in different areas of
00:08:05 --> 00:08:07 the body so for example if somebody comes in
00:08:07 --> 00:08:10 with difficulties breathing we can work through
00:08:10 --> 00:08:12 the rib cage freeing up the tissue depending
00:08:12 --> 00:08:15 on the health of the tissue of the health of
00:08:15 --> 00:08:18 the connective tissue then some areas might be
00:08:18 --> 00:08:21 painful but generally it feels a sense of relief
00:08:21 --> 00:08:24 a sense of opening a sense of creating more room
00:08:24 --> 00:08:27 for the body to be able to inhabitants itself
00:08:27 --> 00:08:31 but also in a session you can expect movement
00:08:31 --> 00:08:34 re -education you can expect the nervous system
00:08:34 --> 00:08:37 to be able to create new pathways in such a way
00:08:37 --> 00:08:40 where this new information that is laid down
00:08:40 --> 00:08:43 is available to the person to be able to use
00:08:43 --> 00:08:48 out in the world so bringing in movement and
00:08:48 --> 00:08:51 awareness to the body so it is very interesting
00:08:51 --> 00:08:54 it's hard to explain it is almost like a internal
00:08:55 --> 00:08:57 stretch that's happening to the tissues where
00:08:57 --> 00:09:00 more space is created to allow for a better movement.
00:09:02 --> 00:09:05 You're also studying another form of manual therapy,
00:09:05 --> 00:09:09 osteopathy. Can you explain what it is and how
00:09:09 --> 00:09:12 it compares with rolfing? That's a really tough
00:09:12 --> 00:09:15 question to answer. I'm still in the process
00:09:15 --> 00:09:20 of understanding how they're both an extension
00:09:20 --> 00:09:24 of each other. What I can say about osteopathy
00:09:24 --> 00:09:28 is that it is is the father or it is the root
00:09:28 --> 00:09:31 of the many professions that we see now so for
00:09:31 --> 00:09:33 example we see chiropractics is an extension
00:09:33 --> 00:09:37 or was initially was a component of osteopathy
00:09:37 --> 00:09:40 but then it was taken out and converted into
00:09:40 --> 00:09:44 or to whatever it is now we see rolfing now specialized
00:09:44 --> 00:09:47 ways of moving the fascia but even when doctors
00:09:47 --> 00:09:52 still talked about osteopathy in the mid to late
00:09:52 --> 00:09:56 1800s he was the first to talk about the fascia
00:09:56 --> 00:09:59 and then from there there's just been a branching
00:09:59 --> 00:10:02 of things that have come out of osteopathy so
00:10:02 --> 00:10:06 it's hard to really say that which one's best,
00:10:06 --> 00:10:08 which one's better. They're similar, but they're
00:10:08 --> 00:10:11 different at the same time. But the goal of both
00:10:11 --> 00:10:14 of them is to accomplish the body's innate capacity
00:10:14 --> 00:10:17 to just self -heal, self -regulate, to just create
00:10:17 --> 00:10:20 that interrelationship between the structure
00:10:20 --> 00:10:23 and the function of the body because one is not
00:10:23 --> 00:10:26 without the other. And now we'll take time for
00:10:26 --> 00:10:32 a commercial break. Welcome back. How does osteopathy
00:10:32 --> 00:10:35 help with postural alignment and chronic pain?
00:10:36 --> 00:10:40 So, osteopathy helps with postural alignment
00:10:40 --> 00:10:43 and chronic pain because we are working with
00:10:43 --> 00:10:48 the anatomy, the physiology, and we are working
00:10:48 --> 00:10:52 through the body's innate mechanical ability.
00:10:52 --> 00:10:56 So, for example, we have Joints that have a very
00:10:56 --> 00:10:59 specific way of moving, but then when they get
00:10:59 --> 00:11:03 stuck or when they're injured, then the flow
00:11:03 --> 00:11:07 of energy, the flow of movement is obstructed.
00:11:07 --> 00:11:11 And so through osteopathy, we are seeking to
00:11:11 --> 00:11:14 restore the movement through mechanical lines
00:11:14 --> 00:11:18 of forces. So there's also a methodology to being
00:11:18 --> 00:11:23 able to bring the body back into health. through
00:11:23 --> 00:11:27 how it best moves, which is through its intelligent
00:11:27 --> 00:11:31 geometry, its intelligence of muscles, its intelligence
00:11:31 --> 00:11:36 of fascia, its intelligence of the four rivers
00:11:36 --> 00:11:38 of life, which would be the nervous system, the
00:11:38 --> 00:11:41 arteries, the veins, and the lymphatics, and
00:11:41 --> 00:11:44 being able to bring movement and the quality
00:11:44 --> 00:11:48 of health back into the areas that are not moving.
00:11:49 --> 00:11:52 What are the key differences between osteopathy,
00:11:52 --> 00:11:56 chiropractic care, and rolfing? That's also a
00:11:56 --> 00:11:58 tough question to answer. I don't know that I've
00:11:58 --> 00:12:01 studied chiropractics enough to be able to answer
00:12:01 --> 00:12:05 the question, but I do know that in both osteopathy
00:12:05 --> 00:12:12 and rolfing, we use low amplitude force to be
00:12:12 --> 00:12:14 able to change the tissue because you need some
00:12:14 --> 00:12:18 sort of force to be able to have a tissue that's
00:12:18 --> 00:12:22 not moving to a tissue that is really moving.
00:12:22 --> 00:12:24 We don't crack the back. We don't do cracking.
00:12:24 --> 00:12:26 In its early beginnings, there was some of that,
00:12:26 --> 00:12:29 and maybe that's where part of chiropractics
00:12:29 --> 00:12:32 took force, because it came out of osteopathy.
00:12:32 --> 00:12:35 But essentially, I think we're all looking to
00:12:35 --> 00:12:39 restore the body in some shape or form. I mean,
00:12:39 --> 00:12:43 osteopathy deals with bones, and it deals with
00:12:43 --> 00:12:46 the musculoskeletal system. and the structure
00:12:46 --> 00:12:49 and the function of of everything and bringing
00:12:49 --> 00:12:54 it through and back to its original form which
00:12:54 --> 00:12:57 is a body that is working appropriately and then
00:12:57 --> 00:13:01 in rolfing we're looking to do the same but we're
00:13:01 --> 00:13:04 also seeking to align body and the force of gravity
00:13:04 --> 00:13:07 because when forces are acting on the body in
00:13:07 --> 00:13:09 ways that it's not supported to its structure
00:13:09 --> 00:13:12 then it then we start to go through deformation
00:13:12 --> 00:13:16 right so You're studying both of these techniques
00:13:16 --> 00:13:19 because you'd like to do them together. It's
00:13:19 --> 00:13:23 hard to say that they're separate from each other.
00:13:23 --> 00:13:27 I think that there's... I obviously study rolfing
00:13:27 --> 00:13:30 first and constantly studying and constantly
00:13:30 --> 00:13:33 reading. I'm trying to make my understanding
00:13:33 --> 00:13:37 greater each time. But also I'm studying osteopathy.
00:13:37 --> 00:13:40 I'm finding that... Sometimes the line is not
00:13:40 --> 00:13:44 so black and white between them. It's quite beautiful.
00:13:45 --> 00:13:48 But I don't know how long or whether that's going
00:13:48 --> 00:13:51 to look like in the future. But it's exciting
00:13:51 --> 00:13:54 because I think that there is a true capacity
00:13:54 --> 00:13:56 for the body to get healthy. And this is just
00:13:56 --> 00:13:59 these two together are a form of doing that.
00:13:59 --> 00:14:03 Years ago, I was in an event where a chiropractor
00:14:03 --> 00:14:07 was allowing people to weigh one. leg on one
00:14:07 --> 00:14:10 scale and one leg on another scale and from that
00:14:10 --> 00:14:13 experience i found that my left leg carried 11
00:14:13 --> 00:14:16 pounds more than my right and this makes sense
00:14:16 --> 00:14:21 to me because of my hip displacement can this
00:14:21 --> 00:14:25 be causing more strain on my muscles joints and
00:14:25 --> 00:14:30 spine nathia yeah for sure um the body is always
00:14:30 --> 00:14:34 going to find ways of compensating or is going
00:14:34 --> 00:14:38 to find ways to move where there's the least
00:14:38 --> 00:14:40 resistance. So if you had an injury or if you've
00:14:40 --> 00:14:45 had a congenital condition or you even acquire
00:14:45 --> 00:14:47 something later in time, then the body will shift
00:14:47 --> 00:14:51 its normal, what we would consider as normal
00:14:51 --> 00:14:55 orientation, very specific joints to be able
00:14:55 --> 00:14:58 to accommodate any change. that will try to bring
00:14:58 --> 00:15:00 the body into symmetry so for example if you
00:15:00 --> 00:15:05 have the hip displays one leg begins to to feel
00:15:05 --> 00:15:08 and be longer than the other then somewhere in
00:15:08 --> 00:15:10 the shoulder or somewhere in the hip or somewhere
00:15:10 --> 00:15:12 else the body has to counter those forces to
00:15:12 --> 00:15:16 be able to kind of bring you back to a horizontal
00:15:16 --> 00:15:22 plane or to be able to stabilize you is it mean
00:15:22 --> 00:15:25 when one leg carries more weight than another
00:15:26 --> 00:15:28 I would just say it's just a form of compensation.
00:15:28 --> 00:15:32 And I think that through osteopathy and rolfing
00:15:32 --> 00:15:35 and therapies that are seeking to bring the parts
00:15:35 --> 00:15:39 into the whole and then integrate the whole into
00:15:39 --> 00:15:43 the parts, then we are thinking. In terms of
00:15:43 --> 00:15:45 relationships, we're not thinking of just a single
00:15:45 --> 00:15:47 hip or a single foot, because at the end of the
00:15:47 --> 00:15:49 day, we're not a walking foot, we're not a walking
00:15:49 --> 00:15:52 hip, we're a walking being, or we're a moving
00:15:52 --> 00:15:55 being, or we're a whole person that comes integrated
00:15:55 --> 00:15:58 with different things and different functions,
00:15:58 --> 00:16:01 and all of us have to be able to work in concert
00:16:01 --> 00:16:05 well so that we are in good health. Are there
00:16:05 --> 00:16:08 any long -term effects on this imbalance in the
00:16:08 --> 00:16:11 body? As I was saying earlier, compensations
00:16:11 --> 00:16:14 would wreak havoc on the body where you might
00:16:14 --> 00:16:18 feel your foot at first falling apart or it's
00:16:18 --> 00:16:21 not really working well and then it'll travel
00:16:21 --> 00:16:23 to your hip or travel to your shoulder and then
00:16:23 --> 00:16:27 it'll start creating issues not only at the level
00:16:27 --> 00:16:29 of the joints but also at the level of the organs
00:16:29 --> 00:16:31 because everything is so interconnected. So right
00:16:31 --> 00:16:35 around the crease of the hip we have, let's say
00:16:35 --> 00:16:41 for example, our bladder. right and then all
00:16:41 --> 00:16:43 of a sudden you start to limp on that side and
00:16:43 --> 00:16:46 then imagine the forces and the pressures that
00:16:46 --> 00:16:49 that organ and everything around it has to deal
00:16:49 --> 00:16:53 with in order to be able to keep you somewhat
00:16:53 --> 00:16:56 symmetrical and what and then something else
00:16:56 --> 00:16:58 is going to give you know and then so you start
00:16:58 --> 00:17:00 to feel your bladder but then next thing you
00:17:00 --> 00:17:03 know a few years later You start to feel your
00:17:03 --> 00:17:05 lung and you have this cough and you're like,
00:17:05 --> 00:17:06 I don't know where this cough came from. And
00:17:06 --> 00:17:10 then there's just this loop of things where we're
00:17:10 --> 00:17:14 trying to solve one thing or diagnose one thing.
00:17:14 --> 00:17:17 But what is the full body diagnosis? What is
00:17:17 --> 00:17:21 going on? I said like the body equally integrated.
00:17:22 --> 00:17:27 Right. So we think about it in that way. How
00:17:27 --> 00:17:30 does fascia contribute to chronic pain and movement
00:17:30 --> 00:17:35 restrictions? So the fascia, from the words of
00:17:35 --> 00:17:39 Dr. A .T. Still, he wrote a quote here somewhere,
00:17:39 --> 00:17:42 if I can pull it up. Read this quote. Solve us
00:17:42 --> 00:17:46 to the part it takes in life and death. It belts
00:17:46 --> 00:17:50 each muscle, vein, nerve, and all organs of the
00:17:50 --> 00:17:53 body. It is almost a network of nerves, cells,
00:17:53 --> 00:17:57 and tubes running to and from it. It is crossed
00:17:57 --> 00:17:59 and filled with, no doubt, millions of nerve
00:17:59 --> 00:18:02 centers and fibers to carry. on the work of the
00:18:02 --> 00:18:05 secreting and excreting fluids of the vital and
00:18:05 --> 00:18:09 destructive things in life. By its action, we
00:18:09 --> 00:18:11 live, and by its failure, we shrink or swell
00:18:11 --> 00:18:14 and die. Each muscle plays its part in an active
00:18:14 --> 00:18:18 life. Each fiber of all muscles owes its pliability
00:18:18 --> 00:18:21 to that yielding septum washer. He's just talking
00:18:21 --> 00:18:24 about the fascia here. That gives all muscles
00:18:24 --> 00:18:28 help to glide over and around all adjacent ligaments
00:18:28 --> 00:18:33 without friction or jar. It not only lubricates
00:18:33 --> 00:18:35 the fibers that gives nourishment to all parts
00:18:35 --> 00:18:38 of the body. Its nerves are so abundant that
00:18:38 --> 00:18:41 no atom or flesh fails to get nerve and fluid
00:18:41 --> 00:18:44 supply therefrom. So here he's talking about
00:18:44 --> 00:18:48 the fascia and how it's so important to allow
00:18:48 --> 00:18:52 the freedom of movement to occur in the body.
00:18:52 --> 00:18:55 And through science, we're being able to find
00:18:55 --> 00:18:58 that it is the fascia all throughout the body.
00:18:58 --> 00:19:02 It is the organ that has the most... nervous
00:19:02 --> 00:19:05 innervations or connections in the body. So for
00:19:05 --> 00:19:07 example, you might be thinking you're moving
00:19:07 --> 00:19:10 your one finger, but all of that is probably
00:19:10 --> 00:19:12 even connected to your foot and you're not even
00:19:12 --> 00:19:16 moving your foot, right? So from a very distal
00:19:16 --> 00:19:20 structure, the entire system is being affected
00:19:20 --> 00:19:22 or influenced by one thing that you do. So and
00:19:22 --> 00:19:24 then unhealthy fascia really is the beginning
00:19:24 --> 00:19:29 of any kind of disease or unease in the body.
00:19:29 --> 00:19:31 fascia is the organ that carries the highest
00:19:31 --> 00:19:36 level of nerve innervation so essentially the
00:19:36 --> 00:19:38 mastermind of the nervous system is the brain
00:19:38 --> 00:19:42 right so the brain controls everything and if
00:19:42 --> 00:19:45 the brain controls everything controls the nervous
00:19:45 --> 00:19:50 system and the fascia is fully embedded with
00:19:50 --> 00:19:56 nerve fibers then we can say that if the nerves
00:19:56 --> 00:19:59 are not working well then obviously the blood
00:19:59 --> 00:20:02 supply and the blood drainage to and from an
00:20:02 --> 00:20:04 area the quality of movement is going to change
00:20:04 --> 00:20:07 and so therefore it's a chain of events that
00:20:07 --> 00:20:11 changes the way the body functions and now we'll
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00:20:15 --> 00:20:19 yes i had a hand surgery in september and you
00:20:19 --> 00:20:23 were very concerned about scarring from my hand
00:20:23 --> 00:20:26 surgery and you had noticed that certain things
00:20:26 --> 00:20:30 that were happening in my body as a result of
00:20:30 --> 00:20:32 the hand surgery, which you were trying to correct.
00:20:32 --> 00:20:35 So I do appreciate that. What other forms of
00:20:35 --> 00:20:38 scarring should people be concerned about? As
00:20:38 --> 00:20:41 I was saying earlier, it's also a form of connective
00:20:41 --> 00:20:42 tissue, but it's a different type of connective
00:20:42 --> 00:20:46 tissue. It's a connective tissue that is a response
00:20:46 --> 00:20:50 to the body trying to heal itself, but then the
00:20:50 --> 00:20:53 way the fibers are laid down, It's done in such
00:20:53 --> 00:20:56 a way where it's almost like putting a whole
00:20:56 --> 00:21:01 bunch of duct tape around a hole to keep the
00:21:01 --> 00:21:04 air from coming in or from keeping something
00:21:04 --> 00:21:06 from coming out. And it's tough and it's resilient,
00:21:07 --> 00:21:11 but it's not properly oriented. So through scars,
00:21:11 --> 00:21:14 of course, the body is creating a shield. It's
00:21:14 --> 00:21:18 a way of protecting. It's also a tissue that
00:21:18 --> 00:21:22 no longer has the same qualities of the tissue
00:21:22 --> 00:21:25 that's healthy and so that's why it's so important
00:21:25 --> 00:21:28 to whenever you get a surgery or whenever you
00:21:28 --> 00:21:30 have some sort of procedure you have an injury
00:21:30 --> 00:21:34 where you get a deep cut and you get a scar specifically
00:21:34 --> 00:21:38 the deep scars to have it worked on because that
00:21:38 --> 00:21:42 in itself can also create obstructions not only
00:21:42 --> 00:21:44 in that particular area in the body but then
00:21:44 --> 00:21:46 the fascia everywhere and all around will have
00:21:46 --> 00:21:49 to accommodate for that because there's almost
00:21:49 --> 00:21:52 like a integrity model where you shift one thing
00:21:52 --> 00:21:55 in one one direction something else will have
00:21:55 --> 00:21:58 to give in order to be able to bring that system
00:21:58 --> 00:22:02 into homeostasis again It's unfortunate that
00:22:02 --> 00:22:04 the medical profession doesn't educate the public
00:22:04 --> 00:22:07 on this fact because when they do operate on
00:22:07 --> 00:22:10 people, they know contractures are a definite
00:22:10 --> 00:22:13 issue, which is why they suggest that the patients
00:22:13 --> 00:22:16 go to physiotherapists. But I find that physiotherapists
00:22:16 --> 00:22:19 don't really get to the root of the problem all
00:22:19 --> 00:22:23 the time. I do certainly think that they help
00:22:23 --> 00:22:27 and that they have the role in helping people.
00:22:27 --> 00:22:32 gain some sort of movement back which is so important
00:22:32 --> 00:22:34 you know what medical professions they're all
00:22:34 --> 00:22:37 so concerned about what they're do what they're
00:22:37 --> 00:22:40 best at you know so they're diagnostics but they're
00:22:40 --> 00:22:42 they're also really good at surgical procedures
00:22:42 --> 00:22:44 but they don't think about the repercussions
00:22:44 --> 00:22:48 that these procedures leave for people post -surgery
00:22:48 --> 00:22:51 so you could be needing a surgery to get a cyst
00:22:51 --> 00:22:54 or something removed but what happens after that
00:22:54 --> 00:22:57 like how is the system Having an opportunity
00:22:57 --> 00:23:00 to adjust. What is the rehabilitation process
00:23:00 --> 00:23:03 after that? And how is that done in such a way
00:23:03 --> 00:23:07 that the body can come back almost to its normal
00:23:07 --> 00:23:12 state, right? You've mentioned before that fascia
00:23:12 --> 00:23:14 plays a big role in body alignment. Can you explain
00:23:14 --> 00:23:17 how it does that? So role playing plays a really
00:23:17 --> 00:23:21 big role in body alignment because we are seeking
00:23:21 --> 00:23:26 to integrate the body. in the force of gravity
00:23:26 --> 00:23:29 so you think about astronauts that go out in
00:23:29 --> 00:23:32 space a lot of them they start to deteriorate
00:23:32 --> 00:23:35 like when they go out in space the lack of gravity
00:23:35 --> 00:23:38 actually destroys their body so they probably
00:23:38 --> 00:23:40 went to school for so many years to learn to
00:23:40 --> 00:23:43 be out in space and become an astronaut and do
00:23:43 --> 00:23:46 so many things for for our understanding of what's
00:23:46 --> 00:23:49 out there here in planet earth for for people
00:23:49 --> 00:23:52 who are just doing their everyday life and activities
00:23:52 --> 00:23:58 we are influenced constantly by gravity but it's
00:23:58 --> 00:24:01 how gravity is acting through the body and how
00:24:01 --> 00:24:05 we are loading our our body so this is where
00:24:05 --> 00:24:08 we say structure and function are so interrelated
00:24:08 --> 00:24:11 because if you have a well -functioning skeletal
00:24:11 --> 00:24:14 system your muscles your tissues your fascia
00:24:14 --> 00:24:16 is in good health you know how to move well you
00:24:16 --> 00:24:19 have awareness of your body then the likelihood
00:24:19 --> 00:24:21 that you're going to go through deformation is
00:24:21 --> 00:24:26 very low in that sense You need gravity, but
00:24:26 --> 00:24:30 also the body has to know how to use it, right?
00:24:30 --> 00:24:32 So that you're not working against it. So in
00:24:32 --> 00:24:35 Rothenberg, we'll be saying like gravity is the
00:24:35 --> 00:24:40 doctor, but it is a doctor to a body that is
00:24:40 --> 00:24:43 completely organized or that it's in good health
00:24:43 --> 00:24:45 or a good function through its fascial networks,
00:24:45 --> 00:24:48 through its joint alignments, through its musculoskeletal
00:24:48 --> 00:24:52 function. And that is kind of how it works. I've
00:24:52 --> 00:24:56 tried many therapies over the years, chiropractics,
00:24:56 --> 00:25:02 physiotherapists, orthotics, pedorthists have
00:25:02 --> 00:25:06 altered my shoes, but none of these things really
00:25:06 --> 00:25:12 seem to help the issue. What are some effective
00:25:12 --> 00:25:15 ways that people can correct uneven weight distribution?
00:25:17 --> 00:25:20 Well, I think anything we should always start
00:25:20 --> 00:25:24 with. physical activity if we don't have good
00:25:24 --> 00:25:26 awareness of our body we should always try to
00:25:26 --> 00:25:30 get help from professionals that understand how
00:25:30 --> 00:25:35 joints move or to even within ourselves do an
00:25:35 --> 00:25:38 exploration of what movement feels like and always
00:25:38 --> 00:25:41 having the ability of comparing contrasting so
00:25:41 --> 00:25:44 for example if you're a senior you haven't really
00:25:44 --> 00:25:46 paid attention to your body for a long time and
00:25:46 --> 00:25:48 you're you're now walking around with back pain
00:25:48 --> 00:25:51 or something Even thinking about how are you
00:25:51 --> 00:25:53 loading your weight from one leg to the other?
00:25:53 --> 00:25:57 What is the orientation of one shoulder in comparison
00:25:57 --> 00:26:01 to the other, right? And even the use of a mirror
00:26:01 --> 00:26:02 is really important in that sense because you
00:26:02 --> 00:26:04 might not be able to connect it through your
00:26:04 --> 00:26:07 nervous system, but you're able to see yourself
00:26:07 --> 00:26:08 in the mirror. You see yourself and you're like,
00:26:08 --> 00:26:11 oh, wow, I didn't notice my shoulder was hanging
00:26:11 --> 00:26:14 really low. Oh, I did notice that I could see
00:26:14 --> 00:26:17 my shoulder or my hip are rotated or twisted
00:26:17 --> 00:26:20 in one direction. I think anything and everything
00:26:20 --> 00:26:26 starts with awareness. Are there some simple
00:26:26 --> 00:26:30 tests people can do at home to check for imbalances?
00:26:30 --> 00:26:34 I would say even going to the beach or having
00:26:34 --> 00:26:37 some sort of place where you can imprint your
00:26:37 --> 00:26:40 foot and you can see, oh, okay, well, I can see
00:26:40 --> 00:26:42 the imprint on the right foot and the imprint
00:26:42 --> 00:26:46 on the left foot and you see how your feet might
00:26:46 --> 00:26:49 be turned out. Or one foot might be loading more
00:26:49 --> 00:26:52 on the outside of the arch, and then one might
00:26:52 --> 00:26:55 be more on the inside of the arch. Again, like
00:26:55 --> 00:26:57 I said, the mirror serves as a really good way
00:26:57 --> 00:27:01 of being able to see yourself. I didn't find
00:27:01 --> 00:27:03 out that I had an imbalance until a tailor was
00:27:03 --> 00:27:07 altering a sleeve on my shirt, and he made one
00:27:07 --> 00:27:12 shorter than the other. Yeah, or even something
00:27:12 --> 00:27:14 as simple as, okay, you put your clothes on and
00:27:14 --> 00:27:16 then every single time you put your pants on,
00:27:16 --> 00:27:18 you notice that they're kind of rotating more
00:27:18 --> 00:27:20 to the right or more to the left. Or when you're
00:27:20 --> 00:27:22 doing some sort of activity and your shirt is
00:27:22 --> 00:27:25 always turning one direction or it feels kind
00:27:25 --> 00:27:27 of lower on one side, then that should be an
00:27:27 --> 00:27:31 indication of where your body is. I saw one of
00:27:31 --> 00:27:34 the legs of my nylons that was twisted inward
00:27:34 --> 00:27:36 and I didn't really understand why that was happening.
00:27:37 --> 00:27:39 So that gives you information about how your
00:27:39 --> 00:27:43 body is oriented or compensating and, yeah, what
00:27:43 --> 00:27:47 it's doing. How do movement therapies like rolfing
00:27:47 --> 00:27:51 and osteopathy help correct these issues? So,
00:27:51 --> 00:27:56 again, the body is a unit of function. And when
00:27:56 --> 00:28:01 we're able to bring that into relationship of
00:28:01 --> 00:28:04 structure and function back together in good
00:28:04 --> 00:28:08 health, The body can start to move better. And
00:28:08 --> 00:28:12 so through both, we are restoring the body's
00:28:12 --> 00:28:15 capacity to self -heal and self -regulate and
00:28:15 --> 00:28:18 to move unobstructedly. And so I think they both
00:28:18 --> 00:28:22 accomplish this. Rolfing does it through movement
00:28:22 --> 00:28:25 for education. Osteopathy does it through freeing
00:28:25 --> 00:28:32 up the body, as well as both do that. Are there
00:28:32 --> 00:28:35 any daily habits or exercises people can do to
00:28:35 --> 00:28:39 help with uneven weight distribution? I think
00:28:39 --> 00:28:41 one of the basic things people have tried to
00:28:41 --> 00:28:43 do is just breathe better. That is a really important
00:28:43 --> 00:28:46 thing. Yeah. I mean, most people are walking
00:28:46 --> 00:28:48 around the world breathing poorly, and I think
00:28:48 --> 00:28:51 if we can even bring our attention or awareness
00:28:51 --> 00:28:53 to our breath, then we're able to even notice
00:28:53 --> 00:28:59 even the most obvious things in the body. And
00:28:59 --> 00:29:03 then from there, building... on more depth into
00:29:03 --> 00:29:07 the more subtle things yeah i recently read a
00:29:07 --> 00:29:11 research article that suggested that people that
00:29:11 --> 00:29:13 have achilles tendon injuries have problems with
00:29:13 --> 00:29:16 their hearts later on can you explain the connection
00:29:16 --> 00:29:22 with that yeah so the calf muscles or the lower
00:29:22 --> 00:29:25 leg which connect to the achilles tendon is considered
00:29:25 --> 00:29:28 kind of like the second heart of the the body
00:29:28 --> 00:29:31 obviously we have our main heart inner chest
00:29:31 --> 00:29:35 but the same way the the blood has to go out
00:29:35 --> 00:29:39 into the system or into the body to reach different
00:29:39 --> 00:29:41 tissues whether it's your muscles your organs
00:29:41 --> 00:29:47 or or even who knows like uh like a ligament
00:29:47 --> 00:29:49 of some sort the blessing blood has to come back
00:29:49 --> 00:29:53 right and so the way the lower leg or the the
00:29:53 --> 00:29:56 calf and the achilles work they work as a pump
00:29:56 --> 00:29:59 right so the heart is a pump the lower leg is
00:29:59 --> 00:30:01 pumped that brings the blood back to the heart
00:30:01 --> 00:30:04 and so that pumping action is so important so
00:30:04 --> 00:30:08 that blood can be cycled through the body in
00:30:08 --> 00:30:11 and out all the time so that is kind of the function
00:30:11 --> 00:30:14 of the lower leg and that's how or why it's kind
00:30:14 --> 00:30:16 of considered even if the leg isn't moving it's
00:30:16 --> 00:30:22 a pump it is wow so it is it is through the venous
00:30:22 --> 00:30:24 system which is the passive system so it will
00:30:24 --> 00:30:26 even breathing that's why breathing is important
00:30:26 --> 00:30:29 that is the first thing we do when we come into
00:30:29 --> 00:30:31 the world we take a breath and that is that's
00:30:31 --> 00:30:34 what activates the entire system and so breathing
00:30:35 --> 00:30:37 But more than anything, physical activity. People
00:30:37 --> 00:30:40 think that they need to go and do all these hero
00:30:40 --> 00:30:43 journeys and things like that. But even walking
00:30:43 --> 00:30:45 is a really good way of getting blood back to
00:30:45 --> 00:30:48 the heart. And for example, for people who have
00:30:48 --> 00:30:51 venous insufficiencies or issues with their venous
00:30:51 --> 00:30:54 system, obviously that is an issue with the pumping
00:30:54 --> 00:30:58 system of the lower leg where the blood, the
00:30:58 --> 00:31:01 venous blood is not able to come back as well.
00:31:01 --> 00:31:04 And obviously they need to use other. types of
00:31:04 --> 00:31:07 methods like compressive salts and massage to
00:31:07 --> 00:31:09 get the blood back to the heart circulating.
00:31:10 --> 00:31:13 And now we'll take time for a commercial break.
00:31:15 --> 00:31:21 Welcome back. Yeah. The medical profession seems
00:31:21 --> 00:31:23 to think that the only way to resolve scoliosis
00:31:23 --> 00:31:27 occurring in the spine is to operate. This can
00:31:27 --> 00:31:30 sometimes be a hazardous operation if an error
00:31:30 --> 00:31:33 is made. Please tell us your thoughts based on
00:31:33 --> 00:31:35 your current level of education. What is the
00:31:35 --> 00:31:37 difference between structural and fundamental
00:31:37 --> 00:31:42 scoliosis? Functional is something that can just
00:31:42 --> 00:31:45 come about from daily living, and then structural
00:31:45 --> 00:31:48 is something that somebody is born with. The
00:31:48 --> 00:31:51 more common scoliosis that we hear about is...
00:31:51 --> 00:31:53 It's actually structural scoliosis, which people
00:31:53 --> 00:31:55 are born with. And then functional, sometimes
00:31:55 --> 00:31:59 they're even idiopathic in the sense that they
00:31:59 --> 00:32:01 just come about because of puberty or patterns
00:32:01 --> 00:32:05 in the body where people learn to move in certain
00:32:05 --> 00:32:08 ways and then the body or the spine starts to
00:32:08 --> 00:32:12 accommodate to allow for that curvature. Essentially,
00:32:12 --> 00:32:14 in the scoliosis, it's a three -dimensional change
00:32:14 --> 00:32:18 in curves where they could be happening. in a
00:32:18 --> 00:32:20 side to side or they could be happening in a
00:32:20 --> 00:32:21 front to back or in a combination of a three
00:32:21 --> 00:32:26 -dimensional shape so essentially the the more
00:32:26 --> 00:32:30 the easier ladder of correction happens through
00:32:30 --> 00:32:34 the functional scoliosis and structural scoliosis
00:32:34 --> 00:32:38 are much more difficult to correct but there
00:32:38 --> 00:32:42 it is possible we don't know if sometimes correcting
00:32:42 --> 00:32:45 somebody's scoliosis to its full extent is the
00:32:45 --> 00:32:47 thing to do because the body has also learned
00:32:47 --> 00:32:50 to accommodate around those curves. The organs
00:32:50 --> 00:32:53 only have so much space in there, right? They
00:32:53 --> 00:32:56 only have so much space, but the body just learns
00:32:56 --> 00:33:01 to find a ground from where it can move well.
00:33:01 --> 00:33:04 And so, for example, if you're born with structural
00:33:04 --> 00:33:09 scoliosis, then... Everything within you is going
00:33:09 --> 00:33:11 to organize around those curves. But then if
00:33:11 --> 00:33:13 it's something that you've acquired around time,
00:33:14 --> 00:33:16 then the likelihood of being corrected and then
00:33:16 --> 00:33:19 everything will go to where it's supposed to
00:33:19 --> 00:33:25 be is a lot easier. Many people feel frustrated
00:33:25 --> 00:33:28 when conventional medicine doesn't provide clear
00:33:28 --> 00:33:32 answers for their pain or imbalances. What advice
00:33:32 --> 00:33:34 would you give those searching for alternative
00:33:34 --> 00:33:40 healing options? The body is really complex.
00:33:40 --> 00:33:44 It's got its innate intelligence. And I would
00:33:44 --> 00:33:46 say that my advice would be don't give up on
00:33:46 --> 00:33:50 yourself. I think that the body with the right
00:33:50 --> 00:33:53 tools and the right orientation is able to heal.
00:33:53 --> 00:33:57 Sometimes our way to finding the help is not
00:33:57 --> 00:34:00 so easy. But I think the biggest thing that we
00:34:00 --> 00:34:02 can hope for or the thing that we should seek
00:34:02 --> 00:34:05 out is to find better ways of being and feeling.
00:34:06 --> 00:34:08 What are some key things people should look for
00:34:08 --> 00:34:11 when choosing a practitioner? I think one of
00:34:11 --> 00:34:14 the very important things when seeking a practitioner
00:34:14 --> 00:34:19 is to feel comfortable with them. You're opening
00:34:19 --> 00:34:21 up to somebody who wants to help you in your
00:34:21 --> 00:34:24 healing journey and part of that relationship
00:34:24 --> 00:34:29 has to be one where the... both can have an open
00:34:29 --> 00:34:31 relationship and that there's trust. That's a
00:34:31 --> 00:34:34 big part of it. I think another big element of
00:34:34 --> 00:34:37 it is having a practitioner who is knowledgeable
00:34:37 --> 00:34:42 of the body, right? In a way that they're not
00:34:42 --> 00:34:45 going to create more injuries. So it would suck
00:34:45 --> 00:34:48 to have somebody sweet talk you or talk you in
00:34:48 --> 00:34:50 such a way where you are convinced by what they're
00:34:50 --> 00:34:53 saying, but there's no way of proving how good
00:34:53 --> 00:34:55 they really are. And so I think it's important
00:34:55 --> 00:34:58 to... When you're seeking out a professional,
00:34:58 --> 00:35:02 take your time to hopefully find the best fit
00:35:02 --> 00:35:05 available for you where you are. If not, I've
00:35:05 --> 00:35:08 done this many times where I don't find who I'm
00:35:08 --> 00:35:12 looking for where I'm at, and I feel in a capacity
00:35:12 --> 00:35:16 to go elsewhere to get the health care that I
00:35:16 --> 00:35:19 need and can afford. Do you know where people
00:35:19 --> 00:35:23 can learn more about your work? Yeah, so I have
00:35:23 --> 00:35:25 a website where people can... Help me up. This
00:35:25 --> 00:35:29 is not necessarily about me. This is about the
00:35:29 --> 00:35:33 two professions I'm looking to highlight. And
00:35:33 --> 00:35:36 if you want to learn more about rolfing, you
00:35:36 --> 00:35:39 can go and look up the Rolfing Institute, which
00:35:39 --> 00:35:43 they do plenty of research on the fascia. There's
00:35:43 --> 00:35:46 even a congress that happens every two or three
00:35:46 --> 00:35:50 years, I believe, from parts of the world. I
00:35:50 --> 00:35:51 think about three years ago, there was actually
00:35:51 --> 00:35:54 a congress in Montreal, and they're bringing
00:35:54 --> 00:35:57 scientists of all kinds, even medical doctors
00:35:57 --> 00:36:00 who are interested in learning about the fascia
00:36:00 --> 00:36:04 and everything it does. So I would say that's
00:36:04 --> 00:36:07 an avenue. But then also to learn about osteopathy,
00:36:07 --> 00:36:10 I think it's really worth looking up the story
00:36:10 --> 00:36:14 of how osteopathy came through at a time when
00:36:14 --> 00:36:18 there was desperation. Getting people out of
00:36:18 --> 00:36:21 adjuncts, like drinking alcohol to get rid of
00:36:21 --> 00:36:23 a liver pain, right, when people needed proper
00:36:23 --> 00:36:30 care through a challenging time in the late 1800s.
00:36:30 --> 00:36:33 So I think that doing research on both, on the
00:36:33 --> 00:36:37 story or the history of both of them, and even
00:36:37 --> 00:36:40 for osteopathy, I would seek some of the bigger
00:36:40 --> 00:36:43 colleges that already have a reputation, even
00:36:43 --> 00:36:49 the Andrew Taylor still. that is out in Kirksville,
00:36:49 --> 00:36:54 Missouri, in the U .S. It's so often the case
00:36:54 --> 00:36:56 when someone has a problem and they're trying
00:36:56 --> 00:36:58 to find a solution, which is what happened to
00:36:58 --> 00:37:01 you. You had trouble when you were younger. So
00:37:01 --> 00:37:04 this is how you came into Rolfing, because you
00:37:04 --> 00:37:06 found that it helped you and it impacted you
00:37:06 --> 00:37:09 so much. You wanted to learn it to help others,
00:37:10 --> 00:37:12 and that makes your story stronger, because you
00:37:12 --> 00:37:17 know it works. Yeah, I think that many things
00:37:17 --> 00:37:20 in life come through belief. But you have to
00:37:20 --> 00:37:23 have facts and evidence that something works
00:37:23 --> 00:37:25 and you know it worked for you. Yeah, it definitely
00:37:25 --> 00:37:29 worked for me in my process of being a practitioner
00:37:29 --> 00:37:33 and doing this for work. I've also seen some
00:37:33 --> 00:37:37 really important advances in people's health.
00:37:38 --> 00:37:41 I had a woman at some point who had a cleft palate
00:37:41 --> 00:37:45 and she, in the course of her life, over 40,
00:37:45 --> 00:37:48 45 years, she's had 25 surgeries. So that would
00:37:48 --> 00:37:53 affect her? Yeah, those really big operations.
00:37:53 --> 00:37:55 She was getting an operation almost every two
00:37:55 --> 00:37:58 or three years. Her biggest thing was that she
00:37:58 --> 00:38:03 was unable to move as a dance teacher. her feet
00:38:03 --> 00:38:05 hurt and her face always felt so tight so but
00:38:05 --> 00:38:07 she her biggest concern was her feet because
00:38:07 --> 00:38:10 she was a dance teacher and being a dance teacher
00:38:10 --> 00:38:13 not being able to demonstrate movement was a
00:38:13 --> 00:38:17 really big issue for her and so at one point
00:38:17 --> 00:38:19 she came to me and we worked through her entire
00:38:19 --> 00:38:24 body and and not only did she gain movement back
00:38:24 --> 00:38:27 through her feet but she said she'd never felt
00:38:27 --> 00:38:30 like that in her life Because you've had so many
00:38:30 --> 00:38:32 procedures that it's almost like you're adding
00:38:32 --> 00:38:35 a barrier. Yeah, every time. Every single time
00:38:35 --> 00:38:38 you're adding a scar, you're adding like a patch.
00:38:38 --> 00:38:41 And it's like, where do the patches end? Yeah,
00:38:41 --> 00:38:46 that's a very insightful story on the work that
00:38:46 --> 00:38:51 you're doing. How many years have you been rolfing?
00:38:51 --> 00:38:59 I've been in practice for nine years. Yeah. And
00:38:59 --> 00:39:01 you're in your second or third year of osteopathy?
00:39:02 --> 00:39:05 Yeah, I'm in my second year of osteopathy. And
00:39:05 --> 00:39:10 it's a four -year program. And I really do think
00:39:10 --> 00:39:13 that four years doesn't do justice for the amount
00:39:13 --> 00:39:16 of studying that you have to do. It's an endless,
00:39:16 --> 00:39:20 lifelong study because you never really arrive.
00:39:20 --> 00:39:23 So I think I'll keep studying. After I'm done.
00:39:24 --> 00:39:26 Oh, well, you never stop learning, especially
00:39:26 --> 00:39:27 when you're interested in what you're doing.
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